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Show me one coach with a losing record 150 games into his career that went on to be a winning coach. It just doesn’t happen.
BTW, I am going to remember this column when you start your annual dump on the 49ers. The 49ers have the toughest schedule in all of football.
BTW baby, belicheck–the games finest coach was fired at 36-44——-I aint playing your stupid illogical show me 150 games dope—the fact is he coached in one spot for 8 yrs and had bad QBs—these were guys like david gerrard—I know you are too dense and not intellectually capable of processing this without hyperventilating and jumping up and down—but Jack did a fine job with no QB for 5 of his yrs there and took that team to the playoffs a few times–something your imbecilic stat never mentions–See Hater dope.
Carr plays small. His passes are batted down. 6′ 3″ and he throws a low trajectory like a 5′ 9″ QB.
And as the professorial- you ,Lowell Cohn, has said “He’s lost many games at the end when he felt the pressure”.
I don’t remember Snake,Plunkett,Lamonica and a bit of Gannon doing that even as rookies or first few year NFLers.
Stan- If you want criticize one of the best young QBs in the league go ahead, but just come up with something that withstands scrutiny.
“Plays small?” Batted passes are often the result of throwing passes over the middle per game plan, and doing what young QBs do in terms of eyeing their targets too early, not arm trajectory. Last year, Cam Newton at 6′ 5″ and even Brock Osweiler at 6′ 8″ had issues with batted passes as has Andrew Luck. Do you even have stats to back up that assertion? I’d especially be interested to see the numbers from year 1 to 2, to see if they dropped. I bet they did.
Derek also has the second highest total of TD passes in NFL history (behind only Dan Marino) in his first two years. Is that “playing small?” His 32 TD passes in just his second season last year are just two off of LaMonica’s single season Raider record.
And your QB comparisons are completely out of line because Derek was thrown into starting as a rookie. LaMonica was a backup his first four years in the league. Stabler didn’t play until his third year in the league coming up after LaMonica, and both played on excellent Raider teams not total rebuild teams that would need to start a rookie. Jim Plunkett lost so many games early in his career the Pats and Niners gave up on him and the Raiders got him off the scrap heap as a backup. Rich Gannon was drafted in 1987 and didn’t start until 1999, after failing to beat out world beaters like Wade Wilson, Sean Salisbury, Mark Rypien and Elvis Grbac early on.
Derek’s learning on the job. And Doing damned well at it so far. If you’re going to criticize him come up with something.
ok,ok,Its better then the old ” We lose to teams who stink” that’s been the Raider way for 20 years now.
I’m for Raider wins.
your criticism of carr is fine—without the raider defense growing last yr we would have lost the last 6 in a row as carr crumbled–that is a fact. We beat denver in denver as carr struggled against them—and that is fine–that is a terrific defense—but the chargers at home and carr was terrible?..we won that game cause our D shut down rivers… He gets a pass due to his great personality and nice stats–he needs to play well in the 4th qtr—my hope is he is just young and the game will be easier for him—but if I see another 3rd and 8 or 3rd and 6 and he throws a 2 yd pass—yet again–I will scream!!!
Alan- Your suppositions about games won that “would have been lost” are not facts at all. These are facts: Carr threw for almost 4000 yards and 32 TDs last year. The defense was 28th in yards allowed and 26th in points allowed.
But it’s a fact that the defense that pulled together that 7-9 season?
I’m very sorry to you and Stan for letting actual facts interfere with your opinions. Stan’s criticisms weren’t fine. A 6’3″ QB playing small makes no sense, and comparing the losses Carr’s taken in starting from day one in his first two seasons to illustrious QBs who didn’t even play in their first two seasons is not valid or defensible. It’s plain idiotic.
I think it’s fair to bring up the games that were lost late on Carr turnovers. No doubt. But there’s also no doubt that Carr’s effectiveness at the end of last season dropped as the O-line became more porous and allowed sacks at a horrendous rate and Cooper’s production fell off profoundly due to injury. We know now that he suited up and played primarily as a decoy.
There also has to be recognition that the Raiders provided Carr no consistent run game the past two seasons either.
blah blah blah–you can’t have it both ways–he had great stats but the line was poor—blah blah blah—he routinely threw short of the first down marker–he ran the Offense out of the shotgun due to his own issues—he is a spread guy, if he cannot take the snap from center and read the D as he drops we will always have run game issues—or did this fact escape you? He threw for 130 yds, in both the denver and SD GAME—do you honestly think we won either one of those games due to his abilities? Please- as for the other 4 games of the last 6–he blew.
It is downright comical to watch fans hyperventilate over criticism that is fair and honest—so while you cite his first 10 games of stats, go fetch me the final 6 games of stats ok? BTW the sacks he took last yr was all of 33—the high in the nfl was over 55–nice try though.
Alan- You don’t read very well and not surprisingly you don’t make any sense. At all. The Raiders finished 3-3 in the last six games, not 2-4 as you contend. You don’t even have the wins and losses correct!
Speaking of more facts, of Carr’s 31 sacks last year (this is from NFL.com I don’t know where on Earth your data comes from), 19 of them were over the last five games and the Raiders went 2-3 in those games.
Carr was sacked 6 times in the finale against KC they lost. This is his fault too right?
Carr not being able to take the snap and read the D is why the Raiders haven’t run the ball well? The Raiders were 28th in the league in rushing, and in your mind that is also Derek Carr’s fault? Really!
I did not and do not contend the Raiders did not lose games because of poor play by Carr. But I disagree with the invalid criticisms leveled at a young QB who is already among the best young QBs in the game and improving.
There is fair criticism that can be aimed at Carr, but you haven’t done that. And when you are called out on not having your facts straight you go right to making up other wrong facts. There’s a presidential candidate running a whole campaign like this and it’s not pretty.
Tom Landry must have been before your time because in the first 6 years as head coach he was 25-53-4 (30.4% wins). In 10 years, Jack is 75-80 (48.4% wins). Remember, coaches sometimes are a product of their environment, i.e. players drafted, traded and FA, and if you have no control over the personnel, you are fighting a losing battle if you have a different style of play for offense and defense than the vision of the director of player personnel who controls the roster.
After 10 years in the leagues as a coach Landry’s record was 67-65. After his first 150 games Landry was 81-69. He was a winning coach after his first 150 games. Landry was not before my time. I remember him very well.
Dennis- you didn’t like JDR from the start, and if I recall advocated for Rex Ryan who also has a losing record. There’s talent on the roster this year, and from where the Raiders were 7-9 was marked improvement. Let’s see what happens this year.
LOL—Old Dennis, the niners fan–who cannot fathom any criticism towards his beloved niners—-I mean Dennis you sensitive guy you—are you still upset that fans and media lambasted Tomsula and York? Any comment from you in regards to the Raiders should be summed up in one word–HATE…Now go make sure you are in line to buy a SBL, or stand in line for a tomsula autograph or something— Nothing wrong with being a niners fan, but you have stood out as being the dullest, most sensitive baby when the spoken or written word about the niners does not agree with your fandom.
What a bore.
Landry once said that if he were the head coach today with the record he had in his first 6 years, he never would have made it to year 7. Sure, the head coach takes the responsibility and accountability for the team’s record on the field; however, there are many contributing factors about which fans may not be informed or that ever make it to the media which also have significant roles in how a team performs in the Win-Loss column. You criticize Jack Del Rio for his record after 10 years, but what about Jeff Fisher, now of the Rams, who has been to the playoffs 6 times in 21 years (169-156-1; 52.2%) and has had 4 consecutive sub-winning records (27-36-1; 43%) as head coach of the Rams? It is not as simple as just the W-L record.
Jeff Fisher is in the same category as Jack Del Rio. I wouldn’t want either of them coaching my team. I would take a chance on a winning OC before I would hire either one of them.
Look the Raiders have been much better than their record over the years since Jackson was the coach. Jackson had them at 8-8. They have had nothing but losing season since. They need a coach who can light a fire. Who can make that team believe they are winners.
It doesn’t matter. This season the Raiders are in the playoffs or Del Rio is looking for a job. No more excuses about player personnel or hard schedules. Its time to put up or go home. If he puts up I will start to change my mind.
del rio is in the 2nd yr of a 5 yr deal dope—fisher is in his 5th yr—-do you ever say anything intelligent? Now go suckle on a niners doll or something.
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have more than a 3rd grade education. Try and make your points without the insults. It would go a long way towards making you sound intelligent.
Their contracts have absolutely nothing, that would be like zero if you are counting on your fingers, to do with my opinion of their head coaching abilities.
Arizona sure stinks!. Carr did have one 5 star super duper pass to Crabtree on the first drive. Still,they only got a FG.
Its hard to root for a team that has Mark Davis as owner. Hes the doppelgänger of Lew Wolff and John Fisher. “We want to move and never see you fans ever again!”..What a team slogan. Commitment to giving you the finger.
Lowell- I too want to see this team step up and make things happen. I’m very satisfied with what I’ve seen from JDR and Carr, and hope to see them continue to grow. I think in some respects, what Derek Car has accomplished is a little overlooked. When your team’s not good you’re going to lose games. He come on to an outright terrible team that made a big step up to mediocrity last year. While Derek lost them a few games he also won them a few. Let’s see how he does this year. I”m hopeful.
Having one of your ‘home games’ played at a neutral site is indeed a major handicap. Home games are precious. The NFL really should figure out a way so every team gets eight true home games and make the stupid London or Mexico City game one of both the participating team’s away games. Is it really that hard to do?
Lowell Cohn has been covering Bay Area sports for more than 30 years and he’s never run out of things to say.