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A rare puff piece from you. Something I am not used to. Del Rio should have put the McGloin in. He had nothing to lose. If McGloin isn’t any better than Cook than they should get rid of him.
I’ve suffered through a lot of Raider postseason losses, going back to the 68 AFL championship game. This is the first one ever that does not hurt at all. Not one bit. Carr breaking his leg hurt a lot, and then laying an egg in Denver hurt a little. But this one? Nada. Can’t wait for next year.
I know it’s too late and the voting is done but after watching this team the past two weeks how could Derek not be a lock for MVP?
The Raiders have looked like they’re being led to the gallows.
That’s the part that’s been disappointing.
I agree. They can’t even get first downs let alone win. Carr set an NFL record for game winning TD passes in the 4th quarter and OT. This is a 4-12 or 6-10 team without Carr.
The Raiders were dead the moment Derrik Carr thought at 33-13 “I can make something out this disintegrating play” held on to the ball..and got his leg broke.
Carr who I always said played small..he just looks lightweight,no muscle, reminds me of the Raiders old warhorse Bruce Gradkowski, has something- but that something is made of glass.
The Raiders revival might be of 49esque length during the Harbaugh years…well,shorter with Carr.
At the very least the Raiders better realize Carr is not durable and better get a real backup like when the 49ers had Shaun Hill.
That about covers it.
Have a nice torrential Sunday. It makes a dent in the drought.
6’3″ and 215 lbs. 60 TDs the last two years. He’s played 16, 16 and 15 games In His three seasons. I literally can’t understand what you’re talking about unless the Derrik Carr you wrote about is a different person than Derek Carr #4 of the Oakland Raiders.
I’m talkin about the Carr who broke his finger,then broke his leg 2 weeks ( or so) later.
He’s not as fit looking to me as the pro type QB. Carr has less muscle just to look at him then say the Seattle guy for one (Big Ben the other type). Those guys can also run and bounce off tackles. Carr..is just more brittle. Always will be.
Really? Carr has played more games the last two seasons than Big Ben. Ben missed 4 games last year and 2 this year- which is more than Carr by a factor of three. It’s good for running backs to bounce off tacklers not QBs. Especially with the concussion protocol. And it makes zero sense that you’d criticize Carr for extending a play and then say he should be bouncing off tacklers.
If you don’t like Carr, that’s fine. But your criticisms are pure fantasies.
What part of broke his finger,broke his leg,we lost to Denver,we lost big to Houston is fantasy?
He’s brittle. The Raiders made a huge mistake going ALL IN on Carr with no real quality vet to back him up. No Blanda.
Your entire narrative is false. The Raiders didn’t bring in another veteran QB because Carr didn’t miss a game in his career until week 16 of his third NFL season.
He had no injury history. None- 32 games started in two seasons. He played through the broken pinky. Not brittle until or unless evidence shows he is. You’re engaging in the worst kind of Monday Morning QBing. This was bad luck not bad management by the team.
No,because I left out he’s also been prone to concussions in past seasons. The Raiders needed to look at this guy without the rose colored glasses and realize he could go down anytime.
I mean,Crabs could have done as well as Connors.
If the Raiders and YOU didn’t know he was brittle,you sure know it now.
When has Derek Carr left a game or missed one due to concussion?
Facts are stubborn things- Derek Carr has played three NFL seasons. Played 16 games twice and now 15.
Making things up is not a form of persuasion.
Well,there was Dec/2014 the Game vs the Lions for one. I don’t have the list of every one. Then remember he had his rib injury. Remember that?
What more do you need?
No there wasn’t. That was August 2014 and it was a preseason game.
You said “prone to concussions.” Concussions is plural. Plural means more than one. “Past seasons” also suggest more than one and you’d think missed games. Google Derek Carr concussion and tell me what you find. Hint- nada.
No one remembers his rib injury because he played through it.
Why do you need to make these things up to support your BS narrative?
I’m going to repeat: Three seasons. 16 games. 16 games. 15 games. There is no injury history.
You say he should be big and tough like a QB who missed three times as many games the last two years.
What part of this do you think holds any water?
I don’t know..I thought at broken leg I had you..and then you said that was a fantasy! So,who’s the one that cant admit they are wrong?
Yeah,those ribs didn’t hurt him at all…concussion was plural.
Yeah,somebody is a bad debate loser.
Stan- You’re the loser. The nuances that escape you are what make your statements completely wrong. I didn’t say Derek didn’t break his leg. I said his break was bad luck not a trend, and that your claims of him being brittle aren’t backed up by his record of playing in games over his three-year career- 16, 16 and 15. Please, Master Debater, tell how that makes you the winner?
You then said Big Ben is bigger and more muscular, and more therefore more durable. WRONG! Big Ben missed 6 games the last two season to Carr’s two. Master Debater, tell me again how big ben is more durable than Carr.
Then you said Carr’s “prone to concussions” when in fact he had one concussion in a preseason game three years ago, and again missed ZERO regular season games.
And the rub injury isn’t worth addressing unless again you can point to missed games, which you can’t because he didn’t miss any.
This wasn’t anyone’s fault and not something anyone could see coming. Carr had no history of injury that can be pointed to. McGloin is a veteran and he beat out Christian Ponder and made Matt Schaub expendable to win the backup job, and on top of that the Raiders moved up and stole Connor Cook this last draft. They are good planners. This broken leg was the kind of bad luck that happens in a collisions sport not an indictment of Derek Carr’s toughness or the Raiders’ management.
You’re just plain wrong.
LOL, Broken legs,broken fingers and sore ribs,concussions.Other then that,he’s a tank!
I see a trend…
Ben? 2x SUPER BOWL WINNER, FIVE X PRO BOWL,ROY 2004. Plus more…
Carr hasn’t done anything and he’s breaking down. One wild card game..he didn’t even play in.
You lost and crack me up..you declare victory.
Did you get to sign Carr’s- the tank- cast yet?
True or false Stan- Carr has had one freak injury that has caused him to miss games in his 3 years?
True or false- Ben has missed three times as many games in the last two years?
You’re the pigeon who craps on the chess board and thinks he won the match.
T or F..He blew the Chiefs game because his pinkie hurt.
T or F..he couldn’t win the West title because he broke his leg.
Tor F…he missed the one playoff game- wildcard.
Tor F. the Raiders could have REALLY used Tyrell Pryor- who they cut to make Carr happy?
I win so much,I have more ribbons then I know what to do with.
Not too mention Shane as you insist Carr injury’s “mean nothing”..he lost the huge Chiefs game…because of his broken pinkie.
Big Ben has How many SB wins? Playoff games,MVP? etc,etc.
Derrick Carr missed his one chance for the playoffs.
So, I would think Carr wins more brittle vs Big Ben.
roethlisberger has been in the league for 13 years now, derek carr has been here for 3. the fact that you’re trying to compare him to gradkowski, a career backup, when carr is an mvp candidate, tells me you understand very little about football
LOL, YOU JUST MADE MY POINT!!!. Dont you get it? LOL…funneeee.
Stan, this is getting sad. Big Ben has never won the MVP, and anyone who watched the Raiders this year knows Derek was an MVP candidate in just his third year. That’s something to be proud of and yet here you are using it asa knock.
Big Ben’s success over a long career is no failure of what Derek Carr has done in his three years. And Derek won more games than Big Ben this year.
Derek didn’t walk into a perennial contender, he walked onto a team and disarray and the team has improved every year he’s been there.
And again, Ben has missed six games the last two years. how again does Derek win the imaginary contest you’re having in your head?
I never said I didnt like Carr. I was the one who posted – first “The Raiders will lose their last two games,sure thing”. Then they did. Carr is a good QB. Accurate.
But he’s a sitting duck,never looked durable and the Raiders made a ginormous mistake not getting a Sanchez or the like as a backup. Hell,Minnesota still has Shaun Hill.
Though a biased Steeler fan, if I am building my team, I want Ben as my QB. Willing to be fair and give Carr some time, let’s just compare first 3 years:
Ben started 13 games as a rookie (started season on bench) and went 13-0 in those starts. Year 2 missed 4 games, went 9-3, then went 4-0 in playoffs to win a SB. Year 3 he started 15 games going 7-8,missing the playoffs (Bettis retired after the SuperBowl win) Total record of 29-11 in first three seasons.
Steelers had Tommy Maddox at QB when he showed up. A good defense and a HOF running back. Wideouts were Hines Ward and a bunch of fill ins. Holds NFL record for most wins in first 5 NFL seasons with 51. For good measure in 2014 he tied for the league lead in passing yards at 4952.
Carr in 47 starts is 22-25. and this year his best season was 12-3, 3937 yards, 262.5 ypg, 28 touchdowns and 6 INT with a 96.7 passer rating. Ben went 10-4 (Sat final game that would have likely been a win) with 3819 yards, 272.8 ypg, 29 TD and 13 Int for a 95.4 passer rating. In short, pretty darn even, in what you are calling an MVP year for Carr, Ben put up his basically career average numbers. So then the comparison comes down to what? Playoffs and championships. Will give Carr some time, but so far, to be honest, it isn’t even close.
Cohn Zohn Commenters may forgive you. I know I have. But I do not know if the Almighty has decided to.
Lowell you’re spot on about Musgrave. I think he designs good plays but I don’t think he game plans well and I don’t think he’s a good play caller. The Raiders never start quickly like they know what can exploit against a defense, and the offense too often sputters along until Carr makes a big play. The offense succeeds best when they turn Carr loose later in games. That’s been the script all year. The last two weeks are evidence that Carr is the entire offense. I’d like to see a coach come in and assist Musgrave in these areas.
regarding what little help Musgrave gave Cook with calls and game plan, the first INT rolled Cook right only to have to turn almost completely around and throw left and backward over Clowney, who had already been in the back field a lot. I hate all pass plays that start behind the line, but against that team at that time it was even more infuriating. I have the impression that Carr calling out of Musgrave’s plays is also a key to the Raiders’ success.
Amari Cooper is ooooverrated ! No separation and like Duran … hands of stone.
The Raiders should go for a Mark Sanchez type back up next year. Never mind the scrimmage level rejects they went for.
Captain Butt Fumble would fix everything?
Have no idea what that’s supposed to mean. Now,yer down to name calling?
4 years ago this week the 49ers defeated the Packers 45-31. Kaepernick passed for 263 yards
and rushed for 181 yards. You wrote then that Packers defensive coordinator Dom Capers was to blame. The 49ers had bypassed him and he no longer had the ability to coach in the league.
Today his defense held the Giants to 13 points. He is still one of the best defensive coaches in the league. You have a tendency to evaluate talent on the basis of the most recent game. (We all do. See Michael Lewis’s latest book The Undoing Project.) I disagree with your evaluation of Musgrave. I think it resembles your evaluation of Capers 4 years ago.
First of all,My PC malware defense has started the last 2 days warning me not to use the email links sent to me about comments on this blog by “redirect vglink” as having hidden “click throughs”.
I think Lowell and SRPD should look into this. Maybe,I have some bad cookie…or its “Discuss”. I dunt know.
Anybody else getting “email” alerts to click for a new post only to find no new posts were made? Sounds like malware has latched on to SRPD?
Where is Lowell Cohn?
Lowell Cohn has been covering Bay Area sports for more than 30 years and he’s never run out of things to say.