Cohn Zohn Giants question Wednesday, July 10, 2013 at 9:35 by CohnZohn In your opinion, do the Giants still have a reasonable shot at the postseason or are they dead right now? Be Sociable, Share! Tweet Comments 39 Comments Ben sure doesn’t look like it’s going to be their year. have seen enough crazy things happen over a long baseball season happen to count them out… but i wouldn’t lay money on the postseason. July 10th, 2013 9:45 am mr.T I really hate to say it but they just look dead when there playing now.And there pitching is not feared by any team anymore…Good Luck. July 10th, 2013 9:52 am Bob In Portland The Giants used to be something to occupy time until the Niners opened camp. They seem to have returned to that purpose. July 10th, 2013 9:59 am Stan In 2010 I said here on COHNZOHN when the Giants were 8 or 9 games behind the Padres, that “The Giants are due for a winning streak like 12 wins in a row” The very next day the Giants went on a winning streak of 12 out of 14 or 15 games. I was good at that. This year?..its bad. Worse then 2010. Epic pitching failures.No hitting,…but the spark of life is still there. Faint,like their pulse too. This cant be a much below .500 team . Its bound to rebound…a long win streak maybe not…but rebound. Wooo. I have my cap inside out and upside down to write that. July 10th, 2013 10:17 am Pete Time to be sellers. Try and clear out some that they could do without, underachievers, last year of contract guys and don’t fit their future types, Pence included. The Giants need some prospects, their’s are not all that. Or, offer any of their minor leaguer’s to Miami for Stanton and continue to try and get back in it, do this for Stanton only. July 10th, 2013 10:30 am Frank In Minnesota it would be so nice to think that they will come around any day now and make a nice run in this weak division…but they look pretty bad…they need to make some changes…really, some local favs should be traded…play with the future in mind? July 10th, 2013 10:57 am TheDude Dead how long will Giants pr staff keep announcing phony sellouts? July 10th, 2013 11:23 am Zach They have been playing poorly for about 45 games now; it sure seems like this season is done. But they do play in the NL West and they are getting some players back form injury (Vogelsong, Casilla) fairly soon or already have (Gaudin). If I had to say yes or no, I would say they are done (hope I am wrong). Key injuries (Pagan, Pablo, Scutaro, Casilla, Vogelsong, Gaudin) and under-performance (Belt, Pence, Pablo, Lincecum, Affedlt, etc.) have doomed this team. Good news, is they are shedding some money next year and they are not far off from being a good team again. July 10th, 2013 11:25 am Stan Lowell,get this. Of all my posts on my little blog- about 75 so far, The biggest draw- by far- is my good bye Beidrens topic. I’m stunned at the number of page views it’s gotten in less then two days..rocketing past my previous most popular. I’m telling you,the pent up sports hate (as apposed to real hate) for Beidrens is out there by Warrior fans. Steve Jackson? Monta? all the bad draft picks? Just fleas compared to the elephant in the room called Beidrens. July 10th, 2013 11:51 am Stan I get that “Old time Raiders” feeling from Warrior fans. A real love and passion. The eastbay baton has been passed to Lacob. Don’t drop it. July 10th, 2013 11:54 am paulbleedsblue The Dodgers got healthy and are showing the Giants what it will now take to compete in the NL West. Money. The Dodgers acquired Ricky Nolasco without giving up any major prospects, they took on his salary … something Giants ownership could easily have done. Ryu, 7-3, 2.82 ERA. Free-agent. Puig … Free-agent. The Giants might not have Dodgers or Yankee money…but don’t let them fool you Giants fans, they have money to burn over there and the Giants stink. Keep buying those $10 beers and $8 garlic fries. July 10th, 2013 12:00 pm John K Given the overall weakness of the NLW anything is possible. The team to watch is the Dodgers who at this point in time they are playing well and are healthy but remember just a short time ago they were being given up for dead. July 10th, 2013 1:23 pm Steve the cat rescuer I have seen the future and it is Zach Wheeler. Stick a fork in ‘em. July 10th, 2013 3:35 pm Neal Interesting off season Lowell. I would love to hear your take on what they should do with Panda, Zito, Freakless, and Pence. Although I know what your opinion on Zito is already. July 10th, 2013 3:40 pm mike DOA July 10th, 2013 3:44 pm Dr. Feelgood They had to have sold their souls to the devil to achieve what they accomplished last year. Their roster is playing down to their potential. Where are the Cardinals coming up with all this great young talent? They don’t trade, they promote. Why is the Giants farm system so barren? Stick a fork in them, they’re done. July 10th, 2013 4:13 pm dharte Lowell, Please. Of course they’re dead, week old fish dead, and the stink coming off them is going to settle in around here for a very long time. Today was a brutal glimpse into a future where the Giants are never talented enough to compete with the best. And Brian Sabean and his “due diligence” arrogance should be shown the door for the Wheeler trade, including his laughable defense of such a bone-headed mistake. If Giants ownership is serious about winning, and they clearly are not, Billy Beane would be the hire and the man would finally be given the money to compete for a title. The lack of vision from Sabean, not to mention his lack of humility and honesty, is striking. Everyone knew that the Giants were dead in the water the moment Posey was ruled out for the season, and yet Sabean still chose to trade his best young arm, the #6 pick in the entire draft, for an injury-prone, aging right fielder who didn’t want any part of AT&T, or San Francisco weather. Ridiculous hubris. And in two years he has learned nothing. Why don’t you ask our Sabs what “due diligence” means to him, exactly? So many of us would love to hear an explanation. The follow-up questions should be pure pleasure for you. I’m done paying to see this team. As with the fraud that was the Don Nelson Era, the Giants are now strictly entertainment, the Dog & Pony Show of Kruk & Kuip yukking it up at the yard, which of course is simply not the same as competing for a championship. The contrast between Walsh and these pretenders is hard to miss. Sabean and Baer have to be the luckiest two schmucks this side of Don Nelson (who never did win anything that mattered) in Bay Area history. Give me Harbaugh. Hell, give me the Warriors (and I haven’t said that since 1976 when I was in the 7th grade…). The Wheeler trade will haunt this organization for years. July 10th, 2013 5:41 pm Dennis Lowell, I am reminded of last year when the Giants were down 3 games to 1 against the Cardinals and you counted them out and so did I. Right now, it is not as bad as that. I think it is too early, but….. July 10th, 2013 7:15 pm chris Giants are definitley done for 2013……but this year could still be a memorable one in Giants history if they made some creative lineup changes……like move Sergio Romo into the starting 5 so he doesn’t have to face reporters at the end of games, make Lincecum the closer, move Posey to third base and Pablo Sandoval to center field…..now that would be a fun team to watch……and dharte, Billy Beane’s team is contending for a title, without the money. In Oakland he’ll be a stayin…… July 10th, 2013 7:25 pm Tiburon Dave They’re done but good lord people…they’ve won two out of the past three championships… It’s been 20 years now for the Niners Almost 40 for the W’s What? 22 years for the A’s and a big OFER in the Shark Tank… I’m not a fan of Larry and his bloodless suits but is there really anything to bitch about after winning two out of three? July 10th, 2013 10:02 pm Johnc I think they have hit rock bottom tonight and could start climbing up in the standings. However , they won’t make it to the playoffs because the Dodgers will win the Division and the Wildcard team will be either St. Louis or the Pirates. I agree with a lot of what others are saying except the veiled reference to Beltran. He is a total stud batting.309 this year with 20 home runs and .534 slugging percentage. He was injured when he was here but he is ok now. I know there is a good column brewing in you Lowell about the state of the Giants. I can’t wait to read it when you come back from vacation . July 10th, 2013 10:03 pm K.G. My thoughts on the Giants is this, “you can’t stay on top year in, and year out.” The Giants have won 2 World Championships within 3 years, and everyone to a person is proud of their achievement. The team as a whole will be back, they have a great nucleus, and will be back stronger next year. July 10th, 2013 10:30 pm dharte @ johnc But he never wanted to be here. And, worse, they never even made him an offer at the end of the season. For this you trade maybe the best prospect you’ve ever had? (Cain, Lincecum and Bumgarner never threw 98 mph heat, though Timmy was in the neighborhood). An appalling trade. July 11th, 2013 2:16 am Pablo The season’s hopes are not over until it’s over. Although, it look grim for the team. I’d like to see the Giants management take stronger action with Sandoval, regarding him getting in shape. He’s an embarrassment. No professional athlete should let himself go, especially during the season. Wow. Nonetheless, I’m a Giants fan. The performance of the team’s pitching, especially Cain—including Wednesday night—-is unexpected. I think we’re seeing the woes related to awarding lucrative contracts. Enjoy your vacation. July 11th, 2013 5:11 am mbabco “I think we’re seeing the woes related to awarding lucrative contracts.” A Giants theme. Hmm, perhaps a word involving the name Sabean could be concocted. “He was a great player until he was sabeanized.” July 11th, 2013 8:32 am Jack Hammer The Giants are dead. Yesterday’s game highlighted Sabean’s inability to see past the immediate future. July 11th, 2013 9:02 am Johnc @ dharte…well duh if they don’t make you an offer why would you want to be here?…did Beltran say he did not want to be here?? July 11th, 2013 11:24 am lameduck Reasonable shot? yes. Are you groping for issues? Maybe being a little to hands on in Guerneyville? There are always hot and cold teams in September. July 11th, 2013 11:24 am Stan You might violently disagree Lowell. Or you might not..wink. http://stan55chevy.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-five-smartest-local-sports-media.html July 11th, 2013 1:07 pm TrojanHoss It looks bleak at this point. The wheels have just fallen off. My guess is that they are neither buyers nor sellers, but tinker at the edges. They will end up at .500 by season’s end, and then things will get really interesting in the off-season, in terms of Timmy, Pablo, and Belt. July 11th, 2013 4:37 pm Dharte @ johnc Duh? You’re better than that. The point is Beltran never liked AT&T as an opposing player; he just doesn’t like the bone-chilling night games. Though the screw up was & is Sabean’s. Only a fool trades a kid who throws 98 mph heat for an aging star; worse, the Giants had no chance without Posey. That was obvious to anyone at the time who bothered to care. Except of course our boy Sabs. July 11th, 2013 7:18 pm slamdunk Giants are pretty much done for the year, especially after reading Sabean’s comments in Kawakami’s blog regarding trying to trade for outside help. He is calling this the “bad penny” year, and he does not want to trade what few prospects he has left, even though there is still time to do so. He needs to take heat for not adequatley fixing left field with a real bat in the first place, and he is waiting too long to find another starter. July 11th, 2013 10:50 pm Brandon Conway The answer is “No”. Now let’s talk about the Bay Area team that actually does – the wholly Bay Area media ignored, very good A’s. July 11th, 2013 11:07 pm Stan Today is such a nice bay area summer day. Reminds me of the like about 25 years ago. I went to visit my brother in Newark and pull up to the curb. My sister in law is playing(LOUDLY) away “Hello Mudder,Hello Fadder”. She had that old Allan Sherman record..and a RECORD ,not cd or tape. So what’s going through my head taking a shower this morning in 2013? “Hello Fadder,i’m at Camp Granada”! July 12th, 2013 10:25 am Stan I swear this is true..I see Yahoo had another top ten trending topic on George Zimmerman. And my first thought was “People really got upset over that Men’s Wherehouse deal”. It turned out to be the trial… July 12th, 2013 3:24 pm Stan And in 2013 on COHNZOHN, I said “the Giants will rebound,and the next day they started”…how do I do it Lowell? July 13th, 2013 9:29 am Kathy Yes they have a shot. July 13th, 2013 8:32 pm Mikey I stuck a fork in them last year when Melky got suspended. Who knows? The one thing that really bothers me is Pagan is out. Cain and Vogalsong have to get to form. July 18th, 2013 7:21 am Stan I heard that the Giants to win 90 games would have to go something like 47-23 the rest of the season. But,that’s to win 90 games as the talk show host called impossible. I say,who ‘s to say 90 wins is needed to win the west? And at 6 games out, why not catch and win? July 19th, 2013 2:11 pm Submit Your Comments Name Required Mail Required, will not be published Website Comment Comments are moderated and generally will be posted if they are on-topic and not abusive. For more information, please see our Comments FAQ.