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Watching Bochy roll through those 5 pitchers to try and get 3 outs reminded me of watching a western where someone shoots his gun empty and then throws the gun in exasperation. Just out of bullets. The Cubs paid the price and got Chapman and the Giants didn’t. That’s really the game last night in a nutshell. That’s an observation and a little bit of a criticism. I did feel bad that Bochy is getting second guessed for pulling Moore after 8. The front office gave him a bullpen that can’t hold a three-run lead for three outs. That’s not on Bochy. But hey, what a thrill! Couple weeks ago I didn’t even think the Giants could make the playoffs let alone put a scare into the Cubs. Let’s hope an odd-year run starts next year!
I saw it different. I saw a guy who told his best sharpshooter marksmen “Take a rest I got some popgun shooters to use”. And thus the fort was lost!
No Giant home run hitter would have made the difference in that game last night.
I don’t really pay much attention to baseball during the season. I just read the headlines and look at the standings every once in awhile. Most of the headlines come in the form of news flashes on my cell phone. The constant theme the last half of the season was how the Giants bullpen lost a game in the 9th.
The Giants were built to score more runs than their starters gave up. For the most part it appears they were successful. They just never had a bullpen that could finish it. They lost a lot of games in the later innings this year. Last night was no surprise.
Bochy is a full of himself egomaniac. NO matter how bad his Sheep-pen was,no matter how many leads they blew,Bochy still would pull out a starter! Moore should have finished out the game. Obvious to anybody not blind to common sense. A.You stay with who does the job B. You never go to somebody who doesn’t. Bochy can’t understand A and B.
This second half mostly all on Bochy. It really was his worst managing ever.
Egomaniac doesn’t describe the Bochy I see. This isn’t an era when you can throw starters for 9 every night. He said post game they talked to Moore after the 8th. He didn’t throw him under the bus but didn’t say he fought to stay in either. If 5 different guys in the pen can’t get 3 outs that says more to me about the pen Than Bochy. As do his three championship rings and his work this year. yes, getting this year’s team within three outs of taking the Cubs to game 5 after being down 0-2 is an accomplishment.
This IS Bochy 100%. The bullpen couldn’t advertise loud enough since July I guess for Bochy to notice they fail time after time. I would say, THIS is the WORST bullpen- sheep pen- the bay area has EVER seen. Why would a manager who just saw them set a record for most 9th inning blown saves, then take out a strong starter? Its stupidity,its EGO,its hubris,all on Bruce Bochy.
He was going to do it his way. The STUPIDEST WAY POSSIBLE.
I guess if I read your posts here, all the players suck, and it’s still Bochy’s fault. Not using your bullpen, no matter how bad it is, isn’t viable. You don’t know what Moore did or didn’t say in the dugout and in the opinion of anyone rational Bochy has earned the benefit of the doubt. It’s fine that you second-guess that call and it can be criticized, but the vitriol here is over the top. And misguided.
Players mentioned did suck,but the point of all this is…they would have gone on if Bochy hadn’t been so dense as not take the last half of the season as maybe a lesson? I learned the lambpen sucked post July. But not Bruce.
Pitch count? Moore has all off season to rest now. And think,THINK!.The Giants got him to get to the WS in 2015…not 2016!..RIGHT? Ok=LET HIM DO IT!…but Bruce took the ball out of his hand.
They were in the hunt. Great,now Moore can rest his widdle arm.
Stan, I am going to disagree with you 100%. This is the GM’s fault. They knew they had a weakness and didn’t fix it. You can’t depend on pitching your starters 9 innings every game.
That’s the long term. In the moment – If you know going over 60mph is going to blow the engine…then you either you do stupidly…or you go slower until you make it home.
Bruce just laughed like a madman and stepped on the fire pedal!
What I saw last night was 2 things:
1. Law looked woefully unprepared mentally on the mound. He was almost laughing at himself for being so bad. Almost zero focus. Perhaps Moore was spent, but why not go with your “closer” in Romo for a clean inning? Bottom line, bullpen was not the best.
2. Continued lack of fundamentals. Yes, Crawford made 2 throws that became errors. Not perfect, but 1B 101 is that if you can’t make a play you have to knock the ball down and keep the runner from advancing. Belts inability to do that cost 3 bases and 2 unearned runs. To me, this was simply a microcosm of the second half of the season. Failure to execute fundamentals.
Crawford just choked in the field. They were easy plays-routine. Posey and Pence continued to just slack along as they have all season. Nothing timely about what they did.
How many more 9th inning blown saves this year did Bochy have to see??? lol. What an idiotic decision to remove Moore.
This has been Bochy all year. Didnt he remove Bumgarner with a one hitter- only to see the sheep pen blow his lead in the ninth??
How blind is Bruce Bochy? IT should have been a no brainer to leave Moore in and see if he gets three outs. WHO in that stadium would have screamed instead “We want the bullpen”? WHO?
Bob Fitzgerald is an idiot “Those players are paid millions” Yeah bob? SO IS BOCHY. To make the right decision.
And taking Moore out was bonehead “Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it” Bochy forgot everything past JULY!
Part of me channeled Bruce Bochy’s mind…ah,I see. I know now. Bruce thought THIS was the chance to prove his men are men. It would be redemption as they took turns getting outs.
Only it was just his fantasy. It flaunted reality of the past..stop me if I said this- since JULY.
No matter how you cut it,Bruce just killed the team.
Since I KNOW all the local media read this blog of Lowell’s..no excuses for Bochy are left. I shot them ALL down.
Moore,hired to win NOW..a WS…has Bochy take the ball out of his hand to be given to one of the worst lambpens ever seen in baseball history.
Krukow?.. Mike left out that Moore had already done this year a 130 pitch game for the Giants vs Dodgers. Who worried about his arm then?
THERE..I took down even THAT argument.
Did you see the Giant’s presscon? It was like a scene from “The Gunfight at the OK Corral”. 4 men in black took on the whole local media Clantons.
Or “The Wild Bunch”..that presscon should have been shot in slow motion by Sam Peckinpah.
KCBS -who’s name I miss or I would give credit- point blank asked Bobby Evans why would Bochy trust in a bullpen that failed all year and not even ask Moore if he was good to go for the 9th?
Evans dodged (I hate Dodgers) the question. Said he would only focus ..blah blah blah.
It was no endorsement for Bruce in the answer at least, thank god.
As time goes by -None of Bruce Bochy’s superiors have ran to his defense. I give the Giant org points on that.
He walks alone on that season killer decision.
The brass is probably asking, did Bochy lose a step mentally this year? He lost several games by strategic gaffes in the otherwise stellar first half. He had no answers and contributed only his stonelike inertia to the team malaise of the second half.
A younger Bochy would have taken this team on a smoother, longer ride.
This Bochy’s greatest failure was not to learn the simple lesson about his hot-and-cold bullpen, which was — Don’t count on the pen two days in a row.
There was an obvious way to avoid using the pen that night. But for 20 years, Bochy had always used his pen, and he was determined to go to that well even though it had proved to be poison so many times since July.
In doing so, Bochy committed the cardinal sin of postseason managers: He went by the “regular season” book, instead of throwing the kitchen sink (nine innings of Matt Moore) at the befuddled Cubs.
It makes you weep. We had a full-strength Johnny Cueto ready for the Cubs — by then, the reeling Cubs — in Game 5.
Lowell Cohn has been covering Bay Area sports for more than 30 years and he’s never run out of things to say.